Surf Talk Episode 4 - VACSWIM

Surf Talk host, Ross Smith, is joined by SLSSA Head of Community and Aquatic Programs, Natasha Hudoba, to discuss VACSWIM.

VACSWIM is South Australia's most renowned summer holiday program, giving children aged three to twelve confidence in and around the water. VACSWIM is structured in five-day blocks, with 130+ programs on offer across nearly 120 beaches, lakes, pools and rivers.

This episode is sponsored by FHTS - Firehouse Technologies.

  • Ross Smith:

    00:00-00:47

    Hi, I'm Ross Smith and welcome to Surf Talk, Surf Life Saving South Australia's podcast. Every fortnight we'll be releasing new episodes of Surf Talk. We'll be talking everything Surf Life Saving South Australia, what we're about, what we do, and on the way we'll be interviewing some amazing people, from club members and their achievements to outstanding rescues and everything in between. Episode four of Surf Talk is proudly brought to you by FHTS, one of South Australia's leading technology firms. You'll hear more about our sponsor a little bit later on in the program. Today we have a special guest and our special guest's name is Natasha Hudoba, or as we call her, Tash. Tash is the head of community and aquatic programs in Surf Life Saving South Australia. Hi, Tash. Welcome to Surf Talk.

    Tash Hudoba:

    00:47-00:49

    Hi, Ross. Thanks for having me.

    Ross Smith:

    00:49-00:53

    Tash, can you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself and what you do here at Surf Life Saving South Australia?

    Tash Hudoba:

    00:53-02:01

    Sure. So I'm someone who's always loved sport and really participating in any activities that involve being active and out and about, but I particularly love those that were water-based. Now, I wasn't that type of person who was really great at swimming, one of those people who are so dedicated up at 5 a.m. doing all their training, but I just loved it. I loved going for a swim, hanging out with friends at the pool, going down the beach and playing water-based games, or kayaking and jet skiing. Pretty much anything that you could do on the water, I'd give it a go. So when I actually started thinking about what I wanted to do as a young person for casual employment, I knew that I simply didn't want to go around serving people in a restaurant or working as a checkout at a local shopping centre. I really wanted to do something that I loved, and so I became a swimming instructor. And working at the pool, I really got to broaden my skills because I did more than just instruct. I ended up being pool lifeguard, working behind the kiosk, and then becoming a swim school supervisor. So it was absolutely fantastic, and I had no idea that this was something that I could do, and eventually, Sport and Rec would turn into a full-time job for me, which was amazing.

    Ross Smith:

    02:01-02:05

    It sort of led you where you are today, isn't it, to put you in this position?

    Tash Hudoba:

    02:05-02:57

    Yeah, and in all honesty, it was really the VACSWIM program that got me to where I am. I started, I remember, as a little five-year-old in Level 1, and it was something that we did year on year as a family. And so I did it all the way up to Level 7, and even went so far as to doing the high awards, which at the time was through Royal Life Saving, and completed my award of distinction. And even from that, I did every role that you could possibly do in the vaccine program, starting as a volunteer, assistant, instructor, and then was eventually instructor in charge at, if it wasn't the largest, it was one of the largest locations at the time at Marion Outdoor Pool. So it really played a huge part in, I guess, my career and where I am. So it's incredible that I now leave a team that delivers water safety programs directly to the community, with VACSWIM being one of the largest programs that we deliver.

    Ross Smith:

    02:57-03:35

    Yeah, it's incredible, isn't it, how it's brought you back. Now, people think, oh, it's just like a casual job over the summertime, I'm just teaching a few kids about water safety, and it sounds like it's just casual work. And often people go, oh, I want a full-time job, where's this ever going to lead to? But there's so many career pathways in this sort of industry, and you've found your niche just from VACSWIM, you've come up to, you're head of that department, you're running a whole team of people. So yeah, anyone that starts off and just saying, I'm just a, and they're not just a, but just someone that's doing a little bit of community work and getting paid for it over the summer period can absolutely, you're the classic example of that leading to a full-time job that you absolutely love.

    Tash Hudoba:

    03:35-03:42

    Yeah, exactly. And who doesn't want to work in a job that they love and actually is rewarding? This is something that saves lives.

    Ross Smith:

    03:42-03:49

    Absolutely. It's brilliant. Can you explain a bit about all the programs, water safety programs that you have under your realm?

    Tash Hudoba:

    03:49-04:54

    I think a lot of people would be surprised how much Surf Lifesaving actually deliver. And it's not just across beaches. We deliver our water safety education in beaches, rivers, pools, and lakes. So it's really quite vast on what we do. Obviously VACSWIM is our largest program and people might know and have heard of Surf Babies as well. But what they might not know is that we do so much more, particularly in the Aboriginal multicultural space. We go as far as the most remote places in South Australia in the APY lands to do this education. As well as the multicultural program is getting larger and it's something that we're still working on, but recently we had a award through AUSWIM as the Community Innovative Program of the Year. We actually got to work with new arrivals to Australia who were displaced Ukrainians, which really had an amazing impact on not only their water safety education, but helping with their settlement into South Australia as well.

    Ross Smith:

    04:54-05:29

    It was incredible. Anyone that's lived in a landlocked country and now we've seen a high rate of drownings from people from other countries coming to Australia who just don't understand our waterways. And I get it, they don't, they haven't been around it. And having that program like that is a really special thing. Not only does it teach them really important life-saving skills, they become part of a community. They fit in. They start to see, I'm sure someone will be sort of talking about being surf members and getting really involved. And that's great. What a great integration. What a great introduction into Australia to, hey, let's keep you safer, as well as become part of a big community.

    Tash Hudoba:

    05:29-05:45

    Yeah, definitely. And even one of the people who were part of that specific Welcome to SA Shores program has become a member. Even through the VAC Swim program, he's now an instructor in charge as part of the program. So he's really embraced it. So shout out to Max, if you're listening.

    Ross Smith:

    05:45-06:00

    That is fantastic. What a great story. So I know the season's coming up now for VAC Swim. So I know you've been absolutely flat out in your department, getting everyone ready and getting people out on the beaches. And how many sessions have we got and where are they run, Tash?

    Tash Hudoba:

    06:00-06:21

    We actually do deliver 130 programs across the entire South Australia. So all the way from Mount Gambier to Penang, which is incredible. So there's lots of opportunities for people to get involved. And it's delivered as five-day blocks over a four-week period. So one pre-Christmas and then three post-New Year's.

    Ross Smith:

    06:21-07:02

    Wow. So there's a lot of opportunity for regional people, which is fantastic. So water safety is not just about the beach, it extends right across the rivers to dams to any unguarded water areas that people can swim in. So yeah, it's fantastic we've sort of got that covered now, but people just think surf life-saving just on the beach. Well no, we're inland now and we've got programs like the Rippers program, which is the river program for like nippers and so many great initiatives. It's fantastic. So Tash, we're just going to take a really short break. We have a little word from our sponsors. And when we come back, I really want you to sort of explain to parents how they can enrol and give them a general idea of what the children can learn from that. So we'll just take a short break and we'll be back soon.

    Tash Hudoba:

    07:02-07:03

    Great.

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    07:03-08:25

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    Ross Smith:

    08:26-08:36

    Hi Tash, welcome back. Thank you. Just in general, what do sort of children learn from the VACSWIM program and how easy is it for parents to enrol?

    Tash Hudoba:

    08:36-09:19

    So a lot of people think VACSWIM is just typically swimming and it's completely different to that. We are focused on border safety education. So we're teaching kids, yes, a little bit around swimming, but we're going and extending that to go, well, how would you rescue someone or be rescued if you get in trouble? What would you do in that situation? We do flotation as well as some survival sequence where kids actually get to put on clothes and have that feeling of what would happen if they were potentially out on a boat in an ocean and capsized and how they would tread water and swim and get some life jacket experience as well. So it's a lot more than just what your usual swimming is.

    Ross Smith:

    09:19-09:44

    I watched a couple of the groups being, VACSWIM is in play and the kids are not only learning something, they're actually having a ball. And I've watched parents turn up trying to get them out of the water and they're still kicking around, having fun. So it's sort of having fun at the beach in the summertime. What more fun can you have? And learning something. It's just absolutely brilliant. So parents to enrol, what's the easiest way to enrol for them?

    Tash Hudoba:

    09:44-09:57

    So the easiest way for them to enrol is to head to our website, which is www.vacswimsa.com.au and there is a location enrolment page where you simply put in your suburb and it will show you all the locations nearest to you.

    Ross Smith:

    09:57-10:00

    So how are the enrolments going? Are we getting people enrolling?

    Tash Hudoba:

    10:00-10:10

    We sure are. We've got over 8,000 kids at the moment registered and we're looking like we'll have closer to 10,500 this year, which is absolutely amazing.

    Ross Smith:

    10:10-10:40

    And just think that 10,500 children that now are more confident and can feel safer in and around water. And after speaking, I know we've got two episodes talking about VACSWIM, but after speaking on episode three to Marley, how some of those kids actually got in the water and helped that girl that fell off the jetty. And that's from their VACSWIM skills, you know, I know Marley's not highly trained, but it just shows you that, what am I doing here? When am I going to put that into play? Well, you just never, ever know. What an amazing skill to have.

    Tash Hudoba:

    10:41-11:21

    And it's pretty confronting. So the fact that we are able to provide you with the skills to be able to deal with that session is really great. We had a launch recently, which some people may have seen on the news around two girls who were named Rose and Scarlett, who actually jumped into action with their grandma having a cardiac arrest. She was looking after them at the time. So they were the only ones nearby and they actually performed CPR on their grandmother and she survived, which is a really rare case. But the fact that VACSWIM was one of the reasons why they were able to ensure that their grandmother kept going and was here today to tell the story was an amazing achievement.

    Ross Smith:

    11:21-11:23

    How old were the children?

    Tash Hudoba:

    11:23-11:24

    They were 11 and 12.

    Ross Smith:

    11:24-12:08

    11 and 12. And they performed effective CPR and saved their grandma's life. And they learned this at VACSWIM. I mean, you can't stress enough to anyone listening or any parent who's listening how important these programs are. I'm just I'm wildly passionate about water safety. And from my background as a former paramedic, being to drownings and seeing things that aren't pleasant, the tragedies that happen out there in the backyard swimming pools, the oceans and the rivers, I'd strongly encourage any parent, please, if someone's listening to this as a club member, share it to as many people as you can and get your children involved, learning to swim, learning to save a life and learning just absolute beach safety and safety in and around water. It's such an important thing. I can't stress it enough.

    Tash Hudoba:

    12:08-12:16

    Yep. Totally agree with what you said, you know, even in and around the water, it's skills for life. It is absolutely skills for life.

    Ross Smith:

    12:16-13:00

    Tash, look, you guys do an amazing job at the community program. We haven't had a lot of time to talk about other sections like you talked about multicultural indigenous education. I know you do a fantastic in that area as well. I'm sure we'll have a yap again and chat about that because that's an episode in itself. I know we want to really focus on VACSWIM to get that message out there. So once again, parents, if you're listening, it's easy to get involved as all you have to do is go to VACSWIMSA.com.au. The form is easy to fill out and register. If you have any issues and you want to know more about other water safety programs, maybe give us a call at Surf Lifesaving and our number there is 8354 6900, so Surf Lifesaving South Australia. That's our number. This has been fantastic. Tash, thank you so much for being my guest today.

    Tash Hudoba:

    13:00-13:01

    Thanks Ross.

    Ross Smith:

    13:01-13:29

    So if you really liked our podcast today, guys, please subscribe and tell everyone about the episode. If you subscribe, you get all the episodes free and you get links and notification when they're coming up. I'd really like to thank our sponsor again today, FHTS. You can find them at www.fhts.services and you can learn more about them. So we really appreciate them helping us out put this episode together. So thank you for listening. And once again, I'm Ross Smith and what I say is get inspired and get involved.

Surf Talk Episode 3 - Community Programs

Surf Talk host, Ross Smith, is joined by VACSWIM instructor and West Beach SLSC member Marley Fairclough.

This week, they discuss the importance of SLSSA’s community programs, such as VACSWIM, Surf Babies and Rippers, in providing water safety education and lifesaving skills.

Marley also reveals how this knowledge and skillset allowed her to complete the rescue of a child at Point Sinclair in 2020. Her heroism and lifesaving efforts were recognised with Rescue of the Year at the 2020 SLSSA Awards of Excellence.

This episode is sponsored by FHTS - Firehouse Technologies.

  • Ross Smith:

    00:00-00:51

    Hi, I'm Ross Smith and welcome to Surf Talk, Surf Lifesaving South Australia's podcast. Every fortnight we'll release a new episode of Surf Talk. This is episode three of 10. We'll be talking everything Surf Lifesaving South Australia, what we're about and what we do, and on the way we'll be interviewing some amazing people, from club members and their achievements to outstanding rescues and everything in between. Before we start, episode three is proudly sponsored by FHTS, one of South Australia's leading technology firms. You'll hear more about those guys a bit later in our episode. Our special guest today is Marley Fairclough. Marley has been involved with Surf Lifesaving for many years and certainly a champion of our community programs, with her skills transferred into a saving a life. I'll let Marley talk more about that later in the program. Hi Marley, welcome to Surf Talk.

     

    Marley Fairclough:

    00:51-00:55

    Glad to be on the podcast with you today.

     

    Ross Smith:

    00:55-00:58

    Thank you. Yeah. Now, where are we talking to you from today?

     

    Marley Fairclough:

    00:58-01:06

    Today I am in Streaky Bay, actually, on the Eyre Peninsula. So just driven down from where I grew up, but I work down here during the week.

     

    Ross Smith:

    01:06-01:09

    Nice, nice part of the world. Nice oysters over that way, isn't there?

     

    Marley Fairclough:

    01:09-01:12

    Yeah, there are a few nice oysters, that's for sure.

     

    Ross Smith:

    01:12-01:21

    Marley, look, I just want to have a chat about your involvement with Surf Lifesaving. So can you tell the listeners, you know, your story of what you've been involved with Surf Lifesaving?

     

    Marley Fairclough:

    01:21-02:43

    Yeah, okay. I guess I've had a really unique entryway into Surf Lifesaving in various forms. I grew up in the far west coast of South Australia, so as far as you can go from Adelaide, pretty much. However, throughout my life, I have had the opportunity to be involved in surf through VACSWIM. When I started, I was five years old and went down to my local beach. And so Surf offered that as a program for many years. And you know, it's around in the summer holidays, so we go down, all the local community kids and are involved in that. When I was a little bit older, I seen that opportunity to be a instructor myself. And fortunately, Surf Lifesaving offer surf rescue programs to come to regional areas in South Australia. And so my mum taught aquatics and I seen that as an opportunity to go, all right, I'm going to do that as well. I think I started VACSWIM when I was about 12 or 13 in a volunteer role and progressed to be an instructor in charge. And I was thinking the other day, I went, well, if I was 12, I probably am a bit older now. I've definitely been involved in that for a fair chunk of my life.

     

    Ross Smith:

    02:43-02:48

    You said the age of five, initially, you were involved with your mum and stuff. That's incredible.

     

    Marley Fairclough:

    02:48-03:36

    Yeah. Basically in the Eyre Peninsula, you know, we have lots of different programs when it comes to swimming, but the VACSWIM definitely stands out out of all of them because it promotes surf safety. And we live on a coastline that we have a lot of dangers and factors in the water that we need to be aware of. And so it gives that opportunity for young people, but also families, because when Vaxwim runs, there's a lot of families that, you know, your parents, caregivers bring their kids down to the beach. And so that gives that opportunity for a range of different ages to be involved. And I guess that's sort of at the core of it all. It's all about everybody having those knowledges and skills around the water and around ocean safety.

     

    Ross Smith:

    03:36-03:45

    It's absolutely vital. There's no doubt about that. But what are some of the, you know, the programs that you deliver? I know there's VACSWIM and there's surf babies. What are you involved in mainly?

     

    Marley Fairclough:

    03:45-04:33

    I guess I've been involved in surf in various capacities. So I talk about VACSWIM because that was my entry point, but I've always wanted to be a teacher. And so when I was 17 and finished school, I moved to Adelaide and that was daunting in itself. But I had always had family friends around surf that were, you know, encouraging me when I moved to Adelaide to get involved. But I didn't really know what that meant, really, you know, coming from a regional town. I definitely knew what surf was, but I didn't. I'd seen it on TV in different, you know, surf sports capacities and, you know, we all know the red and yellow. But when I moved to Adelaide, I didn't realize how much of a community I would become involved with.

     

    Ross Smith:

    04:33-04:35

    Big family. Yeah.

     

    Marley Fairclough:

    04:36-06:14

    A big family, basically. So I went to Adelaide. And I had a family friend, Tony Dalton, who had always come over and run the surf rescue courses. And so I mentioned my mum earlier and how she taught aquatics. I would do the run, swim, run ever since I was a kid. And he basically told me, when you come to Adelaide and you want to do teaching, you've got to get a job in surf education. And I went, all right, well, that sounds good. Teaching kids on the beach, I'll definitely be involved in that. And so I started teaching surf ed. I met a lot of people and began working at Emanuel College teaching swimming. I'd always taught swimming in the pool setting, so I had my on-swim qualifications as well. So I started working there, met a range of people, and all of a sudden I joined the West Beach Surf Club. And it all sort of spiraled from there. I have, you know, so I've definitely competed in surf in various of the surf sports and been involved in that setting. But what my main sort of thing has always been working with Surf Lifesaving in that surf education role. And so I helped run the surf rescue courses for a number of years with Andrew Henry. So we go to lots of different areas around South Australia, regionally and remote. One that stands out to me is trips to the APY Lands, which is Aboriginal communities located in the top of South Australia. And people say, oh, you'd surf Lifesaving, go to the APY Lands. How on earth would you go? That's in the middle of the country.

     

    Ross Smith:

    06:14-06:28

    Yeah, and I hear that too. It's like they've got the Rippers program for the river land. Water safety is water safety, isn't it? It's even indigenous communities have their swimming pools and their rivers and the like. So it's just as vital everywhere.

     

    Marley Fairclough:

    06:29-07:21

    Water doesn't just extend to the ocean. Yeah, the APY Lands definitely stands out. We would go to communities and each community has their own pool. And so essentially our role is to deliver first aid fundamentally to not just the kids in the community, but teachers, community members. So we'd run the surf rescue courses, first aid, and then deliver the surf programs to the kids in the pool. I reflect on that greatly because where I grew up in the far west coast of South Australia, we have a largely predominantly Aboriginal community. And from all my life, I grew up, you know, going out to community and working in that setting as well. And we have a couple of communities where kids come and come to the ocean in aquatics, and they've never seen the seen the ocean before.

     

    Ross Smith:

    07:21-07:25

    And just the excitement of that, just seeing.

     

    Marley Fairclough:

    07:25-07:27

    Yeah, yeah, exactly.

     

    Ross Smith:

    07:27-07:28

    It's thrilling to be there, to be part of it.

     

    Marley Fairclough:

    07:28-07:38

    Definitely. It's something that you don't realize how it affects you until you go, wow, you stand back and you go, we're actually doing something for a purpose. And it's, yeah.

     

    Ross Smith:

    07:39-08:26

    Very powerful and very important purpose. I'm very passionate about water safety myself. I was a former paramedic for 20 years and unfortunately witnessed way too many drowning events. And you think that we can promote water safety, hence I'm now involved with Surf Lifesaving in this capacity. But yeah, the work you guys do is just it's fabulous. You know, it's the best skill that children can have. It's A, to save themselves, learn how to swim. And some of the first aid skills are just brilliant as well. They can take it home with them and amongst their friends. It's just the best. So the VACSWIM program, for some of the listeners that may not be aware, I mean, we've got club listeners and corporate listeners and members of the public. Tell us a bit about what a child, you expect a parent to, you know, tell a parent, what a child would expect to learn in that, in that setting.

     

    Marley Fairclough:

    08:27-09:14

    Yeah, so I guess it ranges from the basics of water safety from a young age. So kids, well, fortunately in recent years, it's actually been below the ages of five that have been involved in that. And so not only water, like water awareness really at its core and being, feeling safe and comfortable in a, in a aquatic setting, you know, that can be really daunting. I think that is definitely the core. And then as those year levels progressed, obviously it's very swimming based, but, but mainly focused on water safety. And if things were to occur in a quick setting, how you go about that, how that plays out. Do you, you know, look at the, assess the dangers? How do you actually deal with the situation if it arises?

     

    Ross Smith:

    09:14-09:29

    And I think you said before, you know, I mean, everyone needs water safety skills. Everyone needs first aid skills. You know, every child should know how to swim, but there's some more challenges. I think you briefly touched on it in a regional area, you know, you just, can you explain a bit more to our listeners a bit about the regional challenges you see?

     

    Marley Fairclough:

    09:30-10:23

    Well, there's a variety of regional things, but I think because we are so remote and, you know, you think about our coastline, I mainly go between Port Lincoln on the far west coast and along from there further west. And within that area, there's, there's nothing really, if things were to go wrong and they have gone wrong and they do go wrong all the time, you're the only person there. You don't have that easy call up. You are the person that has to deal with that situation. And if you're in a setting where you have to help, it is a major challenge. And so it's you. Yeah, for that setting and that, you know, that reason, I think kids knowing from a young age how things can impact them and having the skills to be able to deal with that situation if it was to happen.

     

    Ross Smith:

    10:24-10:49

    Well, the vital skills of water safety and as well, just simple things like saving a life, you know, how to stop bleeding, how to do CPR, all those things that, you know, particularly in a regional area, like your ambulance is not going to be right next to you, you know, like in a metropolitan area. So, yeah, such an important skill to have. And I always say it could be very challenging in fairly remote areas to stabilise someone and wait for that ambulance to arrive. You're it, you're saving their life.

     

    Marley Fairclough:

    10:49-10:50

    Yeah, you are it.

     

    Ross Smith:

    10:50-10:51

    You're absolutely it.

     

    Marley Fairclough:

    10:51-10:53

    Yeah, very, very daunting if that has to happen.

     

    Ross Smith:

    10:53-11:09

    Marley, we're about to take a short break and listen to a few words from our sponsors. And when we come back, I want to talk about that you were that person, that your skills and knowledge that you had to save someone's life in a remote area. It's a fascinating story. So listeners, please hang in there. We'll be back straight after this break from our sponsor.

     

    Sponsor Message:

    11:11-12:31

    This episode of the Surf Lifesaving SA podcast is proudly brought to you by FHTS, one of South Australia's own and leading technology firms. FHTS develops innovative software solutions to solve real world business challenges using safe AI and data analytics. Whether it's about understanding your own data to make better decisions or enhancing operations with your own AI co-pilot, FHTS has the expertise to deliver. With an extended team of over 100 qualified engineers and consultants, FHTS track record includes successful collaborations with private and public sector clients globally, including notable projects like Morta AI. FHTS's team holds hundreds of certifications, ensuring the delivery of the highest quality solutions, no matter the complexity of the challenge. If a problem can be solved with software, FHTS will find a way. FHTS wants to be your long term partner and grow together with your business. Reach out today and discover how they can transform your business through great software. Visit them at www.fht.services for more information. FHTS, safe AI and data analytics.

     

    Ross Smith:

    12:32-12:41

    Welcome back, Marley. Just a couple of other things. So what ages can get involved in your water safety program through Surf Lifesaving South Australia? Where do they start from? I think you touched on it before.

     

    Marley Fairclough:

    12:42-13:13

    So it used to be five was the starting age. And in recent years, they've been able to change that funding to do those younger year levels and upwards to the age of 12. And they get lifelong skills. Their families get they get a chance to be out and down the beach and, you know, enjoying that summer. Most of the VACSWIM programs are running that first week of January, first couple of weeks of January. So a lot of families in their peninsula in particular will factor that around their annual holidays and that time.

     

    Ross Smith:

    13:13-13:17

    Yeah. So holiday plus the children learn something really important.

     

    Marley Fairclough:

    13:17-13:18

    Exactly, holiday with a purpose.

     

    Ross Smith:

    13:18-13:26

    And it's not all just learning. It's a lot of fun, too. I mean, I've seen the VACSWIM program in place. I've had a look at them on the beach when they're there. And kids are just kicking it. They're loving it.

     

    Marley Fairclough:

    13:27-13:28

    Yeah, they are, definitely.

     

    Ross Smith:

    13:28-13:34

    Running around in the sand, swimming, it's well supervised, but they're just loving it, which is, you know, what a great environment to learn in.

     

    Marley Fairclough:

    13:34-13:36

    Yeah, exactly. Very, very true.

     

    Ross Smith:

    13:36-14:05

    So look, I talk about and I know there's been lots of amazing rescues through a whole range of Surf Lifesaving people around Australia. And we'll probably hopefully talk to some more in South Australia a bit later on in our podcast. But your skills of being a VACSWIM teacher, you had to put into action one day. Can you tell us a little bit about what happened? And I know that you, for that year, got Surf Lifesaving Rescue of the Year award, which was incredibly fantastic. What happened?

     

    Marley Fairclough:

    14:06-15:12

    Yeah, OK, so it was a few years ago now and, you know, I reflect back on that particular day quite often. I was teaching with my instructors at the beach, which one happened to be my brother. We were just a normal day at the beach. I'd taught the older kids earlier that morning and then we went to, you know, have the younger year levels. And I was standing at the base of our local jetty where the program is ran, ironically talking about jetty safety. Standing at the base of the jetty, looking at the sign, essentially, that everyone sees and all the jetties around anywhere. And all of a sudden I heard just this screaming from the kids on the jetty and a bunch of the older ones, as kids do, were, you know, playing on the jetty. They'd had their lesson for the morning and it was free time. We've all been a kid before. That's just, that's the nature of play and kids. And unfortunately, one of the girls had fallen off of the jetty. And so the screaming came from the kids that were around trying to, you know, call out.

     

    Ross Smith:

    15:12-15:12

    Yes.

     

    Marley Fairclough:

    15:12-18:36

    For help and assistance. And so I immediately, with my other instructor, ran up the jetty and the kids were already in the water holding this girl up who had become unconscious in the water, which for one, it shows that they have the skills that they've learned in that program earlier in the day and jumped in the water and obviously performed spinal rescue. We were a hundred kilometers from the nearest town where the ambulance would be coming from. This particular day actually was the last day of the program. So we traditionally, for the last day of the program, all of the community, I live in a really small community, we come down to the beach and have the presentations, a morning tea celebration for finishing the Vaxman program. It's been a tradition for as long as I can remember. And so everybody in the community was down at the beach this particular day. I always reflect back on the fact that, yeah, I may have got this big award for this particular rescue, which, you know, that's amazing. But I also think and I go, well, all of the people who actually helped on that day and contributed on that day, that should never go unrecognized because in a situation where you're there and then you've got people around you that support you in every different way from ringing an ambulance through getting, you know, equipment on the beach, all of that, it flowed. And fortunately, this particular girl, she was OK and we were able to get her to emergency services as quick as we could. We had to put her in the back of a car and drive amid the ambulance halfway on the highway, which, you know, it's never just even thinking about that setting. You go, oh, geez, you can't even put it into words how stressful and for families. And, you know, that whole family had siblings and grandparents and parents involved in that. Yeah. But one of the things that I think about all the time when I think about that situation and in particular is how the kids responded, you know, like I'm trained in that situation. That was all of my training put into one little event. Yeah. But these kids who were able to react and respond, how they did and, you know, jumped immediately in the water, call for help, all of those things. They held this girl up for the time it took me and my instructor to get up to help and help in that situation. And after, you know, following, I think they really gauged the importance of the program, you know, like it's one thing to go to the beach and do the water safety program. It's all fun. But I think they really seen the value of it afterwards. And it was even a month or two, even longer after where I, you know, chat to some of the kids who were involved. And fortunately, they're kids I've known for my entire life. I've known them from, well, not my entire life, their entire life. Yeah. From when they were a kid to, you know, this particular girl has just finished and graduated her high school. So, you know, reflecting on that. But they asked so many questions about, so how do you do this and how do you do that afterwards? And I think that that's probably the value of, you know, horrible things.

     

    Ross Smith:

    18:36-19:28

    Because I expect sometimes, Marelyy, that the kids do it and they go, yeah, you know, what's the reason for this? What's the purpose for this? And then it must have been such a scary moment for them, but incredible that they put their skills into action and above water. All the basic, simple things that make a difference to save a life. The outcome, like you said, she's now moved on and doing well. The outcome could be a lot worse if those children weren't there, didn't have the skill that you guys teach these skills to keep their head out of water and to immobilize that spine. That's just, it's just incredible. It really is an amazing story. Look, and I would say to anyone that's listening right now, any parent in particular, get involved, get down there and get your kids involved in VACSWIM or one of the water safety programs that SURF have, because, hey, you're the classic example of when that can come into play and when you may need those skills.

     

    Marley Fairclough:

    19:28-19:29

    Yeah, exactly.

     

    Ross Smith:

    19:29-20:19

    We're just about out of time, but look, thank you so much. What a wonderful story about your rescue. I'm sure a lot of listeners that haven't heard this will appreciate that story. So thank you, Marley, for it's been a pleasure talking to you and what amazing rescue and what amazing work you do. So thank you so much for that. Thank you, listeners. This is Surf Talk and our sponsor today is HFTS. You can find them at www.hft.services. And if you want to learn more about our community programs, you can call Surf Lifesaving on 83546900 or go to surflifesavingsa.com.au and click on water safety programs. So if you enjoyed the podcast, please subscribe and you get all episodes free. Please feel free to pass this podcast on to as many people as you know. So I'm Ross Smith. You've been listening to Surf Talk. Get inspired and get involved.

Surf Talk Episode 2 - Surf Sports

Surf Talk host, Ross Smith, is joined by SLSSA Head of Sport, David Visockis, to discuss the different surf sport opportunities available with Surf Life Saving SA.

This episode is sponsored by Legend Sportswear.

  • Ross Smith:

    00:00-00:34

    Hello, I'm Ross Smith and welcome to Surf Talk, Surf Lifesaving South Australia's podcast. This is episode two. Over the next several weeks, we'll be discussing everything surf lifesaving, from our training to our community programs, some outstanding achievements by the surf lifesavers and some of the outstanding rescues. Before we get into the podcast, our sponsors today are Legend Sportswear, and you'll hear a bit more of them later on in the program. Today's guest is David Visokis, head of sports for Surf Lifesaving South Australia. Hi, Dave. Welcome to Surf Talk.

    David Visokis:

    00:34-00:36

    Thanks for having me today, Ross.

    Ross Smith:

    00:36-00:41

    Can you tell listeners a bit about yourself and your background and also what you do at Surf Lifesaving?

    David Visokis:

    00:41-00:51

    So, myself, I've been involved in Surf Lifesaving now for close to 30 years. Joined as a bronzie through Surf Sports, ironically.

    Ross Smith:

    00:51-00:52

    Wow.

    David Visokis:

    00:52-00:55

    That was my entry point. We might talk a little bit more about that later.

    Ross Smith:

    00:55-00:56

    Sure.

    David Visokis:

    00:56-01:07

    So, I came on board here at Surf Lifesaving SA close to two years ago now in this role and a bit of a change in direction for me, a bit of a change in career.

    Ross Smith:

    01:07-01:08

    What was your background?

    David Visokis:

    01:08-01:35

    Podiatrist by trade. Worked regionally, rurally as a new grad, then moved into private practice, started my own practice, sold that, and then worked in academia for close to 10 years at UniSA, teaching in the podiatry program. I was doing that when this opportunity came up and I've actually known our CEO here, Damian, for close to 30 years. He was actually my bronze instructor.

    Ross Smith:

    01:35-01:36

    It's a small world, isn't it?

    David Visokis:

    01:36-01:37

    Yeah, it is.

    Ross Smith:

    01:37-01:40

    It always is. The surf people seem to come back to each other. Especially in Surf Lifesaving.

    David Visokis:

    01:40-01:41

    Yeah, they do.

    Ross Smith:

    01:41-01:42

    Yeah.

    David Visokis:

    01:43-01:45

    I mean, Adelaide, Surf Lifesaving, how far down can you go?

    Ross Smith:

    01:45-01:46

    You run into someone you know.

    David Visokis:

    01:46-02:07

    Yeah. So, a phone call from Damian, he encouraged me to apply for this role because I'd been working as an age manager and was a junior chair at my own club. So, kind of got back into surf sports through that and my kids, like many of us retired athletes do. We tend to have a few years off and then all of a sudden the kids are nippers and you're like, well, I ought to get back to the club.

    Ross Smith:

    02:07-02:14

    Yeah. And it's either been to coaching or it's running nippers or it's doing something within that environment. We go back into it.

    David Visokis:

    02:14-02:49

    Yeah. Exactly right. And I think a lot of, I wouldn't say ex-clubbies, but I know clubbies with kids would appreciate the fact that when your kids first get into nippers, a lot of us like to try to stay at arm's length knowing that as soon as you're in, you're in. And before you know it, the club's asking you to do everything from coaching, age managing, cooking the barbecue, scrubbing the toilet, everything. So yeah, that's my story here or how I got here and I'm loving every minute of it.

    Ross Smith:

    02:49-02:59

    Oh, look, I'm sure you do, mate. So what does surf sports offer? There's clubbies out there listening, I'm sure there's members of the public and there's corporate people going to listen to this. What do we do?

    David Visokis:

    02:59-04:00

    I'm obviously a massive fan of surf sports, have been for a vast majority of my life. I just think not only surf sports, but the surf culture, the clubby culture across the board is just an amazing community to be a part of. It really is a community, not only at your club, within the state, nationally, even internationally. It really, surf sports stands alone in what we offer, not only the participants, the athletes, but also the community at large, because it really is, it's born out of surf lifesaving. My understanding, the first carnival or the first surf sports participants were lifesavers. They were the original lifesavers and they just wanted to train to get better. It was the old belt and reel. They had to swim out to save people at Bondi beach or wherever it might've been. And they just wanted to get fitter so they could be better at their job.

    Ross Smith:

    04:00-04:07

    Yeah. I think I had a question later on, but I'll talk to it now. The sports seem to hone the skills of what surf lifesavers do. Is that correct, pretty much?

    David Visokis:

    04:07-04:26

    Yeah. Like from its earliest days or probably when it was just swimming, belt swimming, all the way to the introduction of surf boats, board paddling, ski paddling, now with IRB and IRB racing, which is absolutely fantastic to watch. It's one of my favorite things to watch, especially in big surf.

    Ross Smith:

    04:26-04:32

    I watched some on Facebook the other day, some of the pictures and some of the footage and it was some of that big surf stuff is just outrageous.

    David Visokis:

    04:32-04:58

    Absolutely amazing. So certainly everything we do from a sport perspective, even in pool rescue, is born from a core skill of surf lifesaving and it may have evolved since then, but certainly the history of surf sports is born out of the surf lifesaving movement and making our surf lifesavers better and keeping our community safe.

    Ross Smith:

    04:59-05:08

    They're true athletes. I get it. I mean, they put lots of hours, lots of time. I live down South and I see them on the beach there, you know, often training. And I think, boy, you're dedicated. Every day.

    David Visokis:

    05:08-05:08

    Every day.

    Ross Smith:

    05:08-05:13

    Every day. So just list the sports. So if people don't know, what sports do we have to offer?

    David Visokis:

    05:13-06:40

    Many people would have seen the more, I wouldn't say traditional, but probably the more glamorous side of surf sports, which is your ocean beach surf boats. They're the ones that get most of the media coverage. So your iron, so iron man, iron woman, all the ocean events like swim, board, ski, then of course the beach events. So your beach sprint and your beach flags, which is really exciting. Surf boats. Everyone's seen a surf boat crashing through the waves. But then we've also had our, and this might be our more traditional events like our lifesaving events. So champion patrol, champion lifesaver, first aid, R and R. They're certainly really, truly born out of true lifesaving skills. And that's a competitive event as is March past, for example. I know March past again, is probably one of the original surf sports events, which has been, which has been done at most carnivals since its inception. I'm sure I'm not being a real historian of the sport, but you know, March past has certainly been around forever and continues to be an important part of all our championships in particular. But then you move to our, probably our winter sports. So pool rescue, which is all done in a, in a pool.

    Ross Smith:

    06:40-06:41

    Inside of, indoors.

    David Visokis:

    06:41-06:43

    Yeah. Indoor, indoors or outdoors.

    Ross Smith:

    06:43-06:44

    Outdoors, yeah.

    David Visokis:

    06:44-07:02

    Yeah. I mean, if you're, if you're lucky enough to live on the Gold Coast, then you've been doing it outdoors. But most of us do, especially in South Australia, it's all done at the SA Aquatic and Leisure Centre, which are a great supporter of us and our surf sports and surf lifesaving in general.

    Ross Smith:

    07:02-07:03

    Water's warmer in there.

    David Visokis:

    07:03-07:14

    Water's warmer than it is outside. But yeah, certainly. So we have our pool rescue events, which SA do very, very well in, and we've got a great pool rescue team. And then IRB racing too.

    Ross Smith:

    07:14-07:15

    So that's in inflatable rubber boats.

    David Visokis:

    07:15-07:42

    Inflatable rubber boats. Yep. And that's always done in winter. Again, wetsuited up. Doesn't matter where in Australia you are. I think they all wear wetsuited helmets. But that's, that's electric racing. So if you ever get the chance to see some IRB racing, particularly in big swell, you can check it out on our Facebook page from the first round of the surf league, which happened last weekend. But that's absolutely electric and certainly a crowd pleaser.

    Ross Smith:

    07:42-07:44

    So it's pretty much all year round?

    David Visokis:

    07:44-07:46

    All year round. We don't get a break.

    Ross Smith:

    07:46-07:47

    Wow.

    David Visokis:

    07:47-08:23

    We don't have an off season. I often get asked that by my friends. It's like, oh, you know, so you must be quiet now that it's winter. I just say I'm less active in winter or less busy in winter. There's certainly still plenty to do. All our sports expect, demand and should get equal exposure and equal energy. And we do our best to do that. So yeah, certainly by the time Aussie championships finishes normally in April, we're straight back into pool rescue within a month. We're straight in IRB racing within a month. The calendar does not stop.

    Ross Smith:

    08:23-08:37

    It's pretty chock-a-block, isn't it? So you have to be a member of Surf Life Saving Club to be involved in the sports or can you come externally? I mean, I just want to jump in one of those IRBs now. I've just seen some of those videos, but I'm not, of course not qualified, but just give us a bit of an idea.

    David Visokis:

    08:38-09:21

    Short answer is yes, of course you need to be a member. Same as most sports is that you need to be a member of a club to participate. Even just to train. We do encourage those that do come and try to at least become a financial member because then that just covers them for insurance reasons or even, even if they're on a, you know, ski for fun, if something does happen, then they are covered by insurance if it is a, you know, a club training session. To compete you, you can, and this is, this is not widely known is that to compete, you only need to have done your, your kind of prerequisite for the award that you'd need to compete in that event. So in most cases, it's a bronze medallion.

    Ross Smith:

    09:21-09:22

    Yes.

    David Visokis:

    09:22-09:32

    You don't need to have completed your bronze medallion in order to compete at a carnival. You just need to have done your proficiency swim, which is, which is a 400 meter swim in a pool.

    Ross Smith:

    09:32-09:32

    Okay. Sure.

    David Visokis:

    09:32-09:49

    That then enables you to compete, compete at a carnival because it shows that you're competent and you're safe in the water, but in order to compete at a championships, you need to have finished that award, which again, at the moment, at least, it's a bronze medallion minimum in order to compete.

    Ross Smith:

    09:49-09:56

    If you want to find out about the bronze medallion, just give us a call here at surf or, or they can go our website and go to the members area and find out what's involved for your members.

    David Visokis:

    09:56-10:11

    Yeah. I reckon that's probably the best place to start is, is our own, um, Surf Lifesaving SA website, and then we can put you in contact with maybe your closest club as well and get in contact with their people and they can step you through the process.

    Ross Smith:

    10:11-10:16

    Easy. So before we go on, Dave, going to have a short break. I'm going to hear some more from our sponsor, Legend Sports.

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    10:18-11:06

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    Ross Smith:

    11:07-11:08

    Okay, Dave, welcome back.

    David Visokis:

    11:08-11:08

    Thank you.

    Ross Smith:

    11:08-11:27

    Legend Sports is certainly our proud sponsor today. Sorry, Legend Sportswear, I should say. Apologies. Um, okay. Look, I know that a lot of them are very elite athletes, because you talked about someone in the state that's a champion. Can you give us an idea of any exceptional wins or something that you've witnessed and gone, oh, like probably hundreds, but something you've gone, oh my God, that was just impressive.

    David Visokis:

    11:28-11:55

    I'll circle back to probably my most, the most impressive thing I've seen in surf sports, which was actually a junior carnival last season. I mean, we've had some fantastic achievements from our SA based athletes at Australian championships, whether it be in the ocean or the beach. We've got exceptional athletes. So we had, you know, gold medals, won at Aussies this year, you know, plenty of medals on the beach.

    Ross Smith:

    11:55-12:01

    So the participants can, in South Australia, have the opportunity to go to all sorts of carnivals, all sorts of events in every state, pretty much.

    David Visokis:

    12:01-12:40

    Every state. Yeah. So not only, not only Australian championships, which is still considered or has always been considered a, an open competition. So you don't, a vast majority of the events, you don't have to qualify as you would, let's say for athletics or swimming, where you might have to get a qualifying time, surf life-saving. And I think the, uh, certainly in the national board are very strong on ensuring that anyone can compete at Australian championships. So whether you're part-time or whether you're a master's competitor, if you want to come, it's really a festival of surf life-saving.

    Ross Smith:

    12:41-12:49

    Sorry, I interrupted you there. Um, you're going to wind yourself back to some exceptional moment. Yeah, I was about to hear that, I drove you away.

    David Visokis:

    12:49-13:47

    Well, um, so last season we ran a junior carnival at Port Elliot and we do like to get down to our, our regional clubs for junior carnivals once a year. We, it's, you know, known as the country carnival. So, uh, quite often that shared between Port Elliot and Normanville kind of a year on year off. So last year we went down to Port Elliot and it was actually not a bad swell, uh, down there. On the day we have our, we have our little foamy kids. So our under eights and nines kind of, you know, tucked away in the, in, in the corner where it's nice and safe. And then we put out under 12s and 13s further around the bay where the, I don't know where the swell really wells in. So I was just standing up on the grass there watching what I think was a board race or a board rescue, and there was this big shore break coming in. It looked like it could have been, you know, three or four foot, especially when you've got a little kid on a nipper board, it looks, it looks bigger than it is.

    Ross Smith:

    13:47-13:48

    Yeah, sure.

    David Visokis:

    13:48-14:59

    And you know, most of the kids are, you know, sitting back waiting for this wave to break and just saw this one competitor, which, which I actually know his family really well. And he just busted through this wave. Absolutely. Just, just ducked under it, kept paddling, busted through it, got through it. And that still sticks in my mind as one of my favorite things to see. It would have been under 12 at the time, absolutely busting through this wave, showing courage and skills and confidence that 99% of the population wouldn't even consider going in the water, even without a board, let alone this kid just absolutely busted through it. And I remember thinking to myself, that's to me what surf sports is about. Like this kid just showed amazing courage and amazing skill. And one day we'll make a fantastic surf lifesaver cause he puts himself in harm's way to eventually rescue someone in a circumstance like that. And I went down to him afterwards and gave him a fist bump and said, mate, that was amazing.

    Ross Smith:

    14:59-15:01

    Awesome. And probably don't know, but he's honing his skills.

    David Visokis:

    15:02-15:03

    Oh, a hundred percent.

    Ross Smith:

    15:03-15:05

    It's a sports activity. And the next thing is going to be a great surf lifesaver.

    David Visokis:

    15:05-15:17

    Yeah, it is really what, it's really what sport is about, but particularly our surf sports is just, it just showed what, what amazing skills, even our little 11 and 12 year olds have.

    Ross Smith:

    15:17-15:21

    So what's the age group for sports? What have we got? We've got, you said little ones, we've got.

    David Visokis:

    15:21-15:24

    Yeah. So our sports starts at under eights.

    Ross Smith:

    15:24-15:25

    Oh, under eight.

    David Visokis:

    15:25-15:28

    You can be seven and compete at our junior carnivals.

    Ross Smith:

    15:28-15:28

    Yeah.

    David Visokis:

    15:29-15:57

    Obviously we do have like a modified area where the races are smaller and there's always a lot of water cover in the water to protect them and make sure that they're safe. From under eights all the way up to, I mean, we don't have an age limit. You can compete until you're 110 if you, if you like in a, in a master's competition. So, and we still have a master's state championships, masters at Aussie, Aussie championships. So it really is a sport for all.

    Ross Smith:

    15:57-16:21

    Yeah, it's fantastic. And I think, you know, we all talk about it. We have children being active today, sitting on their tablets and need to get out and about. If a parent's listening and say, I want my child to get out there and do some of this stuff. Like you said, you've got surf lifesavers protecting them, particularly when they're young, they start with smaller sports and getting to the bigger ones. So yeah, you're talking age defines it. So it's fabulous. It's just a great thing for activity. Getting to know, get kids moving.

    David Visokis:

    16:21-16:43

    It's fantastic. And I mean, I'm still involved in junior coaching at my club and the amount of times I've, I've had to drag the kids out of the, out of the water because they're just having so much fun, like actually waves and their parents are waving, can we go home? And I'm, I'm trying to drag them out. And, and I just say to the parents afterwards, I'm like, this is a, as frustrating as it is, it's a, it's a good problem to have.

    Ross Smith:

    16:43-16:44

    Yeah, absolutely.

    David Visokis:

    16:44-16:46

    We just can't get them out of the water and that's fantastic.

    Ross Smith:

    16:46-16:53

    I've been down to a couple and you just can't get a car park in space because there's so many parents and so many people there.

    David Visokis:

    16:53-17:14

    Oh, we have fabulous. At a junior carnival, we would have 3000 plus people on the beach, over, over a thousand kids competing. And then obviously you've got at least one parent, if not two siblings, grandparents love to come down and it's just an impressive spectacle, let alone just seeing what these kids, you know, what these kids can do.

    Ross Smith:

    17:14-17:17

    Wow. So what in December, what's coming up in December?

    David Visokis:

    17:18-17:48

    So December we're, so speaking of, you know, what we do from a surf sports perspective, not only in this state to raise the bar, but nationally and internationally. We're hosting our second, what used to be called our Summer of Surf is now the World Ocean Series event at Glenelg beach in, at the end of December 20th and 21st. So we'll have the nation's best surf sports athletes come down to compete in this, to compete against our local athletes.

    Ross Smith:

    17:48-17:49

    So that's in December?

    David Visokis:

    17:49-18:08

    That's in December. Yeah, December 20/21 at Glenelg. So this is, this is an opportunity for our local athletes to be exposed to that higher echelon of racing and, you know, to race against the best, but also just our spectators to see the nation's and probably the world's best surf sports athletes here in Adelaide.

    Ross Smith:

    18:09-18:17

    Look, it sounds exciting. I'll try and get there myself. Cause I know it's a great day on the beach and me sitting on the beach, relaxing, chilling and watching some incredible athletes.

    David Visokis:

    18:17-18:19

    Amazing. Amazing. And we'll have a...

    Ross Smith:

    18:19-18:21

    And it's free to name it, isn't it? I mean, it's just...

    David Visokis:

    18:21-18:25

    It's free. Yeah. Yeah. You just have to roll up and pull up a deck chair.

    Ross Smith:

    18:25-18:27

    Yeah. Pop on a hat, sit on sunscreen.

    David Visokis:

    18:27-18:31

    You know, sunscreen. Shades and away you go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's fantastic.

    Ross Smith:

    18:32-19:26

    Dave, look, thanks so much for being with us at Surf Talk. Look, you've got some amazing athletes out there. A couple of episodes coming up, I'll try and get, we've talked about this, try and get a hold of a couple of athletes and have a chat to those guys and girls about how they feel about the sports competition. I get it just by watching. They're absolutely passionate about it. So thanks for listening to Surf Talk and thank you to Legend Sportswear for our sponsorship of this episode. And once again, if you want to go to Legend Sportswear, it's legendsportswear.com and you'll see all their product range there. So if you like what you heard today at Surf Talk and you want to know more about surf lifesaving, go to surflifesavingsa.com.au and I'd say you go forward slash sports or surf sports and you'll find all about surf sports and surf lifesaving. If you enjoyed the episode, please subscribe and follow us for all episodes free. We're releasing every couple of weeks, you'll hear an episode. So once again, I'm Ross Smith and this is Surf Talk and we say get inspired and get involved. Thank you for listening.

    David Visokis:

    19:26-19:26

    Thanks Ross.

Surf Talk Episode 1 - Boat Licences

Surf Talk host, Ross Smith, is joined by Boat Licence trainer, Stu Ferenci, to discuss all things boating and fishing, including how you can secure your boat licence through the SA Boat Licence course run by Surf Life Saving SA.

This episode is sponsored by Australian Maritime & Fisheries Academy.

  • Description text Ross Smith:

    00:00-00:34

    Hi I'm Ross Smith and welcome to Surf Talk, Surf Lifesaving South Australia's podcast. You may not know but Surf Lifesaving run the SA boat license training courses and also we have testing with that as well. So today's special guest is Stu Ferenczi and Stu's going to talk about the boat license course. But before we start on that our sponsors today is the Australian Maritime and Fisheries Academy and you'll hear a bit more about them later. Stu it's so good to have you here mate thank you for coming.

    Stu Ferenci:

    00:34-00:38

    Thanks for having me Ross.

    Ross Smith:

    00:34-00:42

    No worries just a few things about you Stu let people know why you got into boating and you know.

    Stu Ferenci:

    00:34-00:42

    Where do I start?

    Ross Smith:

    00:34-00:42

    Where do you start?

    Stu Ferenci:

    00:42-00:46

    Looking out the window here today I should be out on the water.

    Ross Smith:

    00:42-00:51

    It's beautiful out there isn't it?

    Stu Ferenci:

    00:46-01:09

    It's a cracker yeah it's a beautiful day. So I was born and bred with boating and fishing in my blood. Port Broughton Fisherman's Bay we had a shack there. So I grew up on the boats and as a young kid fishing there with dad from the very early ages of sort of two three years old probably even earlier.

    Ross Smith:

    01:04-01:09

    Seriously?

    Stu Ferenci:

    01:04-01:23

    Yep yep and that progressed. From there we had some shacks and stuff and some places down at Corny Point, Marion Bay and then I sort of shipped off to boarding school and then we as a family mum and dad bought a house in Portnalunga. Beautiful part of the world before it started to boom now.

    Ross Smith:

    01:23-01:27

    Yeah

    Stu Ferenci:

    01:23-01:40

    And throughout that whole time you know we've had family boats and stuff and always just been fishing. Bit of a footballer as well and then when my sort of footy career you know I always had the ambition to play at a really high level and make AFL and stuff and like I played a bit with SAFL at Glenelg.

    Ross Smith:

    01:40-01:44

    Oh wow.

    Stu Ferenci:

    01:40-02:07

    When it started to go "Okay I'm not gonna you know that's not going to be a career for me what else can I do?" I'd worked in a local community rec centre as a kid. I really wanted to work around just pools and recreation centres and gyms but also fishing. So yeah I got into that side of it from a career and work perspective and then you know started buying my own boats. Had a jet ski there for a little while. They're a lot of fun jet skis.

    Ross Smith:

    02:02-02:07

    Oh yeah. A lot of fun

    Stu Ferenci:

    02:07-02:14

    And then you know did all the water sports of the river but my true love and passion was fishing.

    Ross Smith:

    02:10-02:18

    So what's your qualification Stuart? Are you just a recreational boat license qualification or you've got more?

    Stu Ferenci:

    02:14-03:56

    Yeah I've got more than that. Probably in the last 10 years like I grew up on your bread and butter stuff in South Australia which is your whiting, your snapper, your garfish, blue swimmer crabs, you know all your delicious tasty seafood. All the stuff that you know you grow up on as a kid here in SA's waters. And in the last 10 years I really got into my game fishing. And then as that progressed and my love affair for that progressed I became friends and mates with you know a few people in the industry and one guy Tommy from Go Get Them Fishing Charters. We were always fishing. I was fishing in my rec boat down at Victor and he was you know in his charter boat. And then he said oh if you ever want a bit of work you know on weekends and things like that just let me know. And I thought oh yeah might as well. And again just being on a boat and fishing and loving it. So then I did that and then you know he he won't mind me saying this but he is not getting any younger. And also he's got three beautiful girls. None of them really interested in taking over the family business of fishing. So for me it was like we had a conversation and I went and got my commercial ticket my Coxsons license. And you know in 10 years, 15 years, 20 years time you know the plan is for hopefully one day I can you know still do our boat license stuff here. And also you know you've got a charter organization sort of on the side. So I do the commercial side of it as well. So you run trips out and fishing trips and the like. Two charters out of West Beach here and Encounter Bay. All just fishing charters. So you know I haven't driven any commercial ships or anything like that. But you know they're just bigger sort of commercial boats really. Still got outboard engines and stuff on them. So just bigger trailer boats.

    Ross Smith:

    03:53-04:00

    So clearly passionate about anything boating, fishing.

    Stu Ferenci:

    03:56-04:00

    Yep.

    Ross Smith:

    03:56-04:08

    And you look at statistics. Australia's number one activity, leisure activity, is on water, in water or around water. It's number one. Whether it's all over the world.

    Stu Ferenci:

    04:05-04:08

    Yeah I didn't know that.

    Ross Smith:

    04:05-04:25

    Yeah it's number one. So not a wonder our boat license course here at Surf Lifesaving South Australia is you know massive. We have big numbers every time. Yeah. Who needs a boat license course? I mean we offer them here and I don't fully understand who needs them. So if you can tell our listeners would be fantastic.

    Stu Ferenci:

    04:21-04:42

    So in South Australia if you're going to operate a boat you need a boat license. We're not as lucky as other states. So I'm a former footballer as I mentioned before. I used to play a bit in Darwin. Northern Territory no boat license and no blood alcohol limit on a boat.

    Ross Smith:

    04:38-04:42

    Wow.

    Stu Ferenci:

    04:38-04:58

    So footy trips were a lot of fun up there as you could imagine. But here in South Australia we're pretty lucky. Like we can do you know one of our courses, do a bit of a theory. You can actually just walk in off the street and sit your test at Surf Lifesaving South Australia and if you pass it you get your boat license. I don't recommend doing that obviously.

    Ross Smith:

    04:54-05:05

    It's a bit like a learner's permit is it? Where if you go for your driver's learner's permit, if you fail you got to pay again and fail and pay again and if you let you, you got them all, all the questions asked.

    Stu Ferenci:

    05:05-05:42

    Yeah. So again for us if you want to operate a boat in South Australia that has an engine you know jet ski even. So our license allows us to operate boats and jet skis. We don't have a separate license we just have the one. You have to be licensed. You can operate a boat under a few certain circumstances if you don't have a license but on that vessel there still actually has to be someone holding the license. So you know if you're over a certain age and they do have a speed limit restriction and things like that but it has to be a licensed person on the boat. So really if you're going to operate a boat or a jet ski in SA you have to be licensed.

    Ross Smith:

    05:42-05:47

    So what size crafts? I can't go out and drive a ship or whatever you call it.

    Stu Ferenci:

    05:47-05:48

    Funny you mention that.

    Ross Smith:

    05:48-05:49

    What can I do? What can I do?

    Stu Ferenci:

    05:49-05:59

    Funny you mention that. We actually, we don't have a restriction. So there's no L plates, there's no P plates. You don't have a size restriction, you don't have a horsepower restriction.

    Ross Smith:

    05:58-05:59

    Seriously?

    Stu Ferenci:

    05:59-06:19

    On a full license, yeah. On a recreational license. So on my commercial license I have a size restriction, I have a distance restriction and how many people I'm allowed to take out on board to X nautical miles. If I take that commercial license off and I'm recreational I'm unlimited. Unlimited horsepower, unlimited size restrictions.

    Ross Smith:

    06:19-06:35

    But of course we are promoting basically that people don't go out and just jump on a ship and be a captain. It's all about recreationalism at the end of the day. So people that, for our listeners that don't know, people that other water sports like sailing and canoeing, do they need a license?

    Stu Ferenci:

    06:35-06:54

    Not for a sailing boat. If the boat has an engine, you do. But sailing boats, kayaks, stand up paddle boards, that unpowered craft, you don't actually need a license for. But if you've got a boat with an engine on it or a jet ski, you need one. So if you've got a sailing boat with an engine, you're going to need that license to operate it.

    Ross Smith:

    06:54-07:02

    So let's drill into the course a little bit. What's it cover? What's the contents? How long does it go for? What do people have to expect when they come into Surf Lifesaving South Australia?

    Stu Ferenci:

    07:02-07:41

    So everything I teach and everything we teach is straight out of the SA Boating Safety Handbook, which tells us all of our laws, all of our legislations, all of our policies. Now that's readily available. That's free for all of us. So everything that's in that around all your safety, all your different policies, all your legislations, that's what we teach in our course. So our course goes through that, not in too much detail that it's too much to absorb and you can't understand it because it'd be an overflow of information, but it's simple enough and effective enough that we cover off all the major parts highlighted in that SA Boating Safety Handbook.

    Ross Smith:

    07:41-07:47

    So there's a strong emphasis on safety and managing your craft out there in a safe and responsible manner.

    Stu Ferenci:

    07:47-07:48

    Yep, absolutely.

    Ross Smith:

    07:48-07:56

    And the sort of equipment you need. I mean, that's really important. They're always being updated, aren't they? That sort of thing with life jackets and flares and radios and the like.

    Stu Ferenci:

    07:56-08:39

    Yeah, for sure. And so there's a few different policies and stuff. And look, the government's always looking to better it and improve it, which we're in full support of. But when it comes down to it, the safety equipment that we need when you're looking at it and like the activity, what you're doing on the water is sort of the bare minimum. You know, having things like a fire extinguisher, an anchor, a torch, some life jackets or flares. It's all pretty basic stuff, you know, even having a radio. But there are still people out there who don't have all the required safety equipment and they should. So we educate people in our courses that this is the stuff you need. We take about two hours to two and a half hours of theory and then they have sort of half hours, you know, 40 minutes it takes them to do their exam.

    Ross Smith:

    08:39-08:47

    And I mean, with your experience, you sort of bring it to life as well. You can give some examples, you know, in boating and you can sort of say, well, this is really important, but however.

    Stu Ferenci:

    08:47-08:48

    Yeah.

    Ross Smith:

    08:48-08:52

    So what age can we train at Surf Lifesaving South Australia? What can we do here?

    Stu Ferenci:

    08:52-09:16

    Legally you've got to be 16 years of age. Okay. There is a special permit for kids between 12 and 15. Currently they're just through services SA. Now we're working on that with government given, you know, my knowledge, expertise, et cetera. And also the fact I've got the commercial license, so I could legally take people out on the water. But at the moment we just deliver the full course, which is for people aged 16 and over.

    Ross Smith:

    09:16-09:28

    So at the end it has a multi-choice test and they have to get a percentage to get that correct. So what's the percentage they have to get? And second question is, what do they do after they get a certificate from us saying they've passed the course?

    Stu Ferenci:

    09:28-10:14

    So overall we've got a really strong success rate. People pick it up really good. I like to think I know what I'm talking about, but also people understand it and look, it's all safety. So it's a little bit hard to keep people engaged, right? But I try in the short window we have, I try and keep it fun, as light hearted, as engaging as possible. But we have a high success rate, you know, probably sort of 90, 95% of people that attend our course pass. There is a little bit of give and leeway. You need 80% to pass your boat license. I think we have 54 questions, so you need 43, 44 in total. And that includes a compulsory eight. So there's a compulsory eight questions around your give way, you know, blood alcohol limit, a certain speed limit around a person in the water, things like that.

    Ross Smith:

    10:14-10:21

    Like your normal license, like when you go off your learner's permit to drive a vehicle, you have a certain amount of questions which are mandated. You must get them correct.

    Stu Ferenci:

    10:21-11:02

    Yeah. And as the trainer, I'm always there to help. It's a lot of information intake. You know, some people are there with friends or family. They may sort of ask one of them a question or something. They may also come to me. And nine times out of 10, they actually know the answer. They're just seeking that last little bit of guidance. And obviously we want people to be safe on the water. So we're not going to be, you know, against helping them. You know, we're trying to educate people and get them to learn. And, you know, a couple of the big things I really stress is, you know, there's a safety equipment checklist. There's a sort of a one page or a two page in that SA Boating Safety Handbook. I encourage everyone that does my course, print it out, put it in your car, put it in your boat.

    Ross Smith:

    11:02-11:03

    Do that check.

    Stu Ferenci:

    11:03-11:29

    Do that check. And I still do this, you know, and I've been on the water since I was three, but make sure before you go out, you've checked that your flares are in date. You've got your flares on board. You've got the right life jackets, all those sorts of things, because you don't want to get down to the water and Marine Safety are there and they're just doing their job. But they're going to say, well, your flares aren't in date. You can't actually launch them. You know, so it's really important. And Marine Safety are doing a great job. They've started to release some QR codes as well.

    Ross Smith:

    11:29-11:30

    Oh, fantastic.

    Stu Ferenci:

    11:30-11:32

    Where you can now stick them on your boat or just stick them somewhere.

    Ross Smith:

    11:32-11:33

    And that gives you the resources.

    Stu Ferenci:

    11:33-11:42

    And you can, yeah, just a resource. You can just scan your code and it'll tell you which life jacket you need. It'll tell you what your safety equipment you need. So we're going to start handing those out in our boat license courses as well.

    Ross Smith:

    11:42-11:49

    Yeah, that's great. Anything that can keep people safe on the water is important, I guess. So when they get their certificate, do they go into Services SA?

    Stu Ferenci:

    11:49-12:06

    Yep. So they'll do their course with us. We're also an approved provider. They'll get emailed out a certificate of completion attainment. They print that off and then you take that into Services SA and then they basically exchange it on the spot. So they'll exchange that certificate and issue out the boat license.

    Ross Smith:

    12:06-12:08

    No worries. So where do we run them, Stu?

    Stu Ferenci:

    12:08-12:16

    So we run them all across the state. So as you know, you and I were just at the boat show and we did, I can't remember the numbers, about 120, 130, I think.

    Ross Smith:

    12:16-12:26

    Yeah, about 130 people come through. It's an amazingly popular course. But as I said earlier, I think that recreational thing around water, so many people love water in Australia.

    Stu Ferenci:

    12:26-13:06

    And I think too, we're a not-for-profit charitable organization, so we're able to do it. I'm highly qualified and experienced in it, but also we're able to do it at an affordable rate, which people actually love. We've got a cost of living crisis at the moment. But yeah, so we did the boat show. So we did the boat show, the caravan show every year. We have them here at West Beach in winter, maybe once or twice a month. In summer, pretty much every week, we're running boat license courses here at Surf Life Saving HQ. But then all across the state. And we're happy to go anywhere, really. As long as the demand's there, it covers our costs. So I think we've got the Riverland coming up next week. So I'll be at Murray Bridge and Berry.

    Ross Smith:

    13:06-13:07

    So inland water as well, that's great.

    Stu Ferenci:

    13:07-13:32

    Yeah, we do the river. Then we're heading out to York Peninsula, so Port Vincent. Then I've gone down the southeast, so Mount Gambier, Beachport, that area, and then the Eyre Peninsula, so Wyala, Port Augusta, Port Lincoln. And then yeah, we try and do some at our other Surf Life Saving Clubs. So I think I've got one at Port Elliot. Some out north, so like Engle Farm Rec Center. So we're doing some out there.

    Ross Smith:

    13:32-13:34

    So you're making it really accessible for people.

    Stu Ferenci:

    13:34-13:35

    Yeah, 100%.

    Ross Smith:

    13:35-13:36

    Yeah, that's great.

    Stu Ferenci:

    13:36-14:01

    Yeah, as long as we've got, whether it's a pool, a rec center, a Surf Life Saving Club, we can pretty much run them anywhere. And a lot of schools too. I think I've been up to Peterborough too once before. So yeah, we'll go. And there might not be as much water, but all those places, even places like where I grew up in Rocksby Downs, we had the shack at Port Broughton Fisherman's Bay, and that's where I grew up. But we worked in the mining town, but a lot of those people and places, they have shacks and stuff.

    Ross Smith:

    14:01-14:02

    And they come down on weekends.

    Stu Ferenci:

    14:02-14:11

    They come down on weekends, on school holidays, all of those things on there. They're usually a week on, week off rosters, things like that. We can go down there and do a boat license course too.

    Ross Smith:

    14:11-14:20

    Fantastic. Stu, before we go on, we're just going to have a short break. We're going to hear from our sponsor, the Australian Maritime and Fisheries Academy, and then we'll get back and ask you some more questions.

    Stu Ferenci:

    14:20-14:21

    Beautiful.

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    Ross Smith:

    15:31-15:42

    All right, welcome back, Stu. Thanks for our sponsor for that bit of information. If anyone wants to know about boat licence courses, where can they go to our website or let people know what it is?

    Stu Ferenci:

    15:42-16:04

    Of course, they give us a call, and that'll either come through to myself or our team, the commercial team. Otherwise, there's information on our website, so there's bits and pieces about there about what we cover off on our course, all the different course dates, so that's how people book in. They just enrol through the website and obviously pick which course is most suitable for them, closest to their home and most convenient.

    Ross Smith:

    16:04-16:09

    And that's surflifesavingsa.com.au forward slash courses?

    Stu Ferenci:

    16:09-16:22

    Yeah, yeah, and then you've got a few different choices. Select down, we've got first aid, we do pool lifeguard, we do a range of courses. Select boat licence, it'll bring up a table and it'll bring up all the different courses. I think there's about 15 or 20 up there at the moment for our summer period.

    Ross Smith:

    16:22-16:24

    Wow, that's a lot of courses.

    Stu Ferenci:

    16:24-16:25

    Yeah, yeah.

    Ross Smith:

    16:25-16:31

    So here's a question I've got written down, Stu. What are some of the best practices for boating in different weather, for example?

    Stu Ferenci:

    16:31-16:51

    Yeah, it's interesting. It really depends on your boat size and also your experience as well. And I try and educate this in my courses. So you might have a day, for example, you might want to get into your offshore fishing. So you might have a day of zero to five knots of wind and it's 30 degrees and you're thinking, oh, this is bloody beautiful.

    Ross Smith:

    16:51-16:52

    Yeah, I'm going out.

    Stu Ferenci:

    16:52-17:17

    Going out. But when you're talking offshore, you've got swell that you've got to contend with. And down in Victor Harbour, where I live and the bottom of York Peninsula and Port Lincoln, all those exposed areas in unprotected waters, you might have a day where that forecast is zero to five knots and there's no wind. But you get down there and there's not really any boats out and there's massive waves because you've got five metres, 10 metres of swell to contend with.

    Ross Smith:

    17:17-17:22

    So the difference between when you launch, the difference you get out in the open water can be significantly different.

    Stu Ferenci:

    17:22-18:24

    Yeah, absolutely. So it's a bit of that, but it's also like I'm going up to the Eyre Peninsula soon and you've got a concentrated area. There's the annual run of yellowtail kingfish up there and it can be blowing 30 to 40 knots, which is really rough. But because of the area you're in, you can actually still go out because it's semi-protected is what it's classed as, but it's actually quite protected in those waters that it can be quite windy, but it's a real concentrated area. So it does vary a little bit on your experience, your boat size, your courage as well. But as a general guide and a general rule of thumb, anything above 20 knots, you're probably thinking not today, whether it's water sports in the river because it's going to be quite bouncy for the skis and stuff, or in the ocean, anything above 20 knots. If it's 10 to 15 knots, probably 50-50. Anything below 10 knots, in the industry we just call variable winds. You're going to be quite safe wherever you go. 10 to 15, you're still going to be safe. It's not going to be unsafe at 10 to 15 knots, but it's just going to be a bit bumpy.

    Ross Smith:

    18:24-18:26

    I suppose get to know your weather.

    Stu Ferenci:

    18:26-18:43

    For this day and age, you've got 10 or so smartphone apps I could lift off the top of my head, TV, radio, newspapers, whatever you get your weather, but your smartphone apps are the easiest. You've got BOM Weather, you've got Boy Weather, Willy Weather, Windfinder, Windy. These are all just apps.

    Ross Smith:

    18:43-18:44

    Plenty of resources there.

    Stu Ferenci:

    18:44-18:45

    Plenty of resources.

    Stu Ferenci:

    18:45-18:47

    So make sure you check them. Just don't go blind.

    Stu Ferenci:

    18:47-18:48

    Check them always.

    Ross Smith:

    18:48-18:52

    It can be 30 degrees now, sunny, flat, and then you go out and as you head out further, it can be quite windy offshore.

    Ross Smith:

    18:53-18:59

    I suppose off the cuff question, what's the craziest thing you've ever seen when you've been out on a boat?

    Stu Ferenci:

    18:59-19:18

    I've seen quite a few. I used to surf a little bit, but once you sort of get into the commercial side, it's a little bit eye-opening. So like I've been off the bluff, you know, just sort of a K off the bluff in an afternoon and we've had a school of tuna come up and fighting fish and then you've seen like a hundred sharks come out of nowhere just in a feeding frenzy.

    Ross Smith:

    19:18-19:19

    Wow.

    Stu Ferenci:

    19:19-19:29

    Just like a kilometre off the bluff, bronze whalers, great whites, all sorts. And you've got customers who are like absolutely loving it, but you can't get a tuna into the boat because it's getting bit in half by a shark.

    Ross Smith:

    19:29-19:30

    That's crazy.

    Ross Smith:

    19:30-20:39

    I've been out in other situations where we knew there was a big swell, you know, and everyone's human and everyone makes mistakes and I'm not immune to any of that, but we've been out, you know, big swells and on the tuna, places called Wedge Island, which is out near the Neptune's Island where they do the shark diving. And we knew the swell was big, but we're all right. We can't get on top of the shoal because the shoals where it's from deep water goes from sort of, you know, 80 odd metres, 180 metres up to sort of 20, 30 metres. So it comes up shallow when the swell is big, the waves are obviously going to break over that. And on this particular day, my mate was a bit seedy as we hung over and he was in the cab of the boat and I've seen the birds working and the tuna were in this particular spot. I've just driven straight over to it, didn't look at my sounder. And I was like, geez, that wave's massive and it's standing up a little bit. And then I looked down and I was right on the edge of the shoal. So I've gone from sort of 80 odd metres staying away from it, just like 30, 40 metres. And we hooked up on a fish and I've just flipped the bail arm over and just let it spool itself out. And I've just gunned it out of there. And then sort of we turned back and looked like this wave was just breaking behind us. It would have been 60, 70 foot this way.

    Ross Smith:

    20:39-20:40

    Oh my God.

    Stu Ferenci:

    20:40-20:44

    So yeah, you've got to be careful, but you've got to be careful.

    Ross Smith:

    20:44-20:45

    You do.

    Stu Ferenci:

    20:45-21:30

    So probably, yeah, that massive feeding school of sharks off the bluff, you know, some really big swells I've seen and been out in. And then there's a few juvenile great whites who follow up the school of kingfish and not myself. Thankfully I haven't seen them. I've seen them on equipment like fish finders and down scans and side scans, but I've seen footage of mates and stuff where the kingfish are getting caught and the sharks have figured out that that's when it's time to go for them. And there's been footage and stuff of sharks breaching boat side, eating these kingfish like they're highly aggressive, taking down rig of bombs and stuff like that and baits. And yeah, it's hectic.

    Ross Smith:

    21:30-22:02

    I can see you're incredibly passionate about this and particularly the fishing side of it. So yeah, if anyone wants to get their boat licence, you know, get onto our website surflifesavingsa.com.au forward slash boat licence or forward slash courses and they'll be able to see there and navigate their way around. Ring Surf HQ 83546900. And it's been really enlightening to listen to your stories. Fantastic, mate. Look, appreciate it. Stu, once again, that's been great information. Like I said, boat licence, it's a great course. I appreciate you being at Surf Talk.

    Stu Ferenci:

    22:02-22:04

    No worries, Ross. Thanks. Anytime.

    Ross Smith:

    22:04-22:27

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